{"id":20739,"date":"2015-09-28T23:46:01","date_gmt":"2015-09-28T22:46:01","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.glass-cage.com\/dianas_blog\/?p=20739"},"modified":"2021-01-13T10:42:28","modified_gmt":"2021-01-13T10:42:28","slug":"trident-is-useless-thats-why-we-must-debate-its-renewal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/glass-cage.com\/dianas_blog\/2015\/09\/28\/trident-is-useless-thats-why-we-must-debate-its-renewal\/","title":{"rendered":"Trident is useless. That\u2019s why we must debate its renewal"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I used to have nightmares about nuclear war. \u00a0Being just able as a child of 6 to remember the Cuba missile crisis, my attitude too nukes has always been why on earth would you?<\/p>\n<p><em>I have different nightmares now&#8230;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><!-- GUARDIAN WATERMARK --><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2015\/sep\/28\/trident-useless-debate-labour-vote\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/image.guardian.co.uk\/sys-images\/Guardian\/Pix\/pictures\/2010\/03\/01\/poweredbyguardianBLACK.png?resize=140%2C45\" alt=\"Powered by Guardian.co.uk\" width=\"140\" height=\"45\" \/>This article titled &#8220;Trident is useless. That\u2019s why we must debate its renewal&#8221; was written by Richard Norton-Taylor, for theguardian.com on Monday 28th September 2015 15.48 UTC<\/a><\/p>\n<p>It might be perfectly understandable why <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/politics\/2015\/sep\/27\/corbyn-trident-vote-rejected-labour-party-conference\">Labour party delegates decided to bottle out of a conference debate on Trident<\/a>, Britain\u2019s most powerful, most expensive, most irrelevant and most useless weapon. Yet the attempt to suppress debate on the utility of Britain\u2019s nuclear arsenal is undemocratic. And a discussion is needed, desperately.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe question of Trident renewal becomes a symbol for Britain in the world, for patriotism, or for enlightened foreign policy,\u201d says Michael Clarke, director general of the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) thinktank. He adds: \u201cThe one thing that politicians don\u2019t address when they talk about Britain\u2019s nuclear weapons is how they do, or don\u2019t, actually figure in practical defence policy for the next 10 or 20 years. It is really very depressing.\u201d<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-pullquote\">\n<blockquote><p> Trident is about symbols and sacred cows<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/aside>\n<p>In his <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/politics\/2010\/sep\/05\/tony-blair-a-journey-book-review\">memoirs, Tony Blair said of Trident<\/a>: \u201cThe expense is huge and the utility \u2026 non-existent in terms of military use.\u201d He said he could clearly see the force of the \u201ccommon sense and practical argument\u201d against Trident, but in the end he thought that giving it up would be \u201ctoo big a downgrading of our status as a nation\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>It is about symbols and sacred cows. The arguments are not simply ones of left versus right. In Brighton on Sunday, unions who are pro-Trident on employment grounds voted against a debate (though their skilled workforce could readily switch to building submarines or warships that are not armed with nuclear-armed ballistic missiles).<\/p>\n<p>Crispin Blunt, the Tory chairman of the Commons foreign affairs committee, says: \u201cIt is no longer sensible to put aside the money [for Trident] for the size of nation we are. At what point is it no longer value for money for the UK? In my judgment we have reached that point.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Max Hastings, a historian and respected commentator on military affairs, chastised the government in yesterday\u2019s Sunday Times, accusing it of \u201cindefensibly\u201d ruling out of the debate on the forthcoming strategic defence and security review (SDSR) \u201cthe huge commitment to replace Trident\u201d. (Hastings added that the navy\u2019s new aircraft carriers might have provided jobs for Scottish shipyards but were \u201cless relevant to Britain\u2019s security needs than is the Great Pyramid\u201d.)<\/p>\n<aside class=\"element element-rich-link element--thumbnail\">  <span>Related: <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2015\/sep\/28\/trident-vote-corbyn-conference-labour\">The Trident vote isn\u2019t an embarrassment for Corbyn \u2013 at least, not yet | Suzanne Moore<\/a> <\/p>\n<\/aside>\n<p>\u201cWhen you are short of money, you should put everything in the melting pot,\u201d says Major General Patrick Cordingley, former commander of the 7th Armoured Brigade, the Desert Rats. He argues that Trident should not be ringfenced and the costs should be weighed up against new ships, planes, tanks and infantry. The defence secretary, Michael Fallon, made clear in a keynote speech to RUSI last week that the SDSR would, as he put it, \u201ccertainly be confirming the importance of a nuclear deterrent\u201d. Yet he also made plain that no agreement had been reached on such urgent problems as the shortfall in the number and capabilities of RAF strike aircraft and skilled navy personnel. According to the latest MoD figures, the navy is short of 620 specialists, including submarine engineers who would be needed for Trident.<\/p>\n<p>Costs of US <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/aviation\/11635919\/UK-and-US-military-test-F-35B-Lightning-II-jets-at-sea.html\">F-35B Lightning II fighter jets<\/a> planned for the carriers have soared and numbers have been drastically scaled back. The RAF is having to rely on 30-year-old Tornados against Isis fighters because its newest strike aircraft, the Typhoon, is not yet equipped with Brimstone missiles, the most accurate weapon in the RAF\u2019s armoury.<\/p>\n<p>Ministers say that Trident, estimated to cost \u00a3100bn over a 30-year lifespan, will be needed as merely as an insurance policy in an \u201cuncertain\u201d world. Yet would a similar argument ever be used for hospitals, or for any civil, as opposed to military, contingency?<\/p>\n<p>Trident is supposed to be a deterrent: the point is, it is there so it would never be used. Yet its credibility depends on whether a rational British prime minister would ever take an independent decision to order Trident submarine commanders to launch a nuclear weapon. That belongs to the realm of fantasy.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>This article was amended on 28 September 2015 because the caption incorrectly described the submarine as Trident-class rather than Vanguard-class.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>guardian.co.uk &#169; Guardian News &amp; Media Limited 2010<\/p>\n<p>Published via the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.guardian.co.uk\/open-platform\/news-feed-wordpress-plugin\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Guardian plugin page\" rel=\"noopener\">Guardian News Feed<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/wordpress.org\/extend\/plugins\/the-guardian-news-feed\/\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Wordress plugin page\" rel=\"noopener\">plugin<\/a> for WordPress.<\/p>\n<p><!-- END GUARDIAN WATERMARK --><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With experts agreeing that renewing Trident makes little sense, Labour\u2019s decision to bottle out of a vote is a missed opportunity<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":true,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[3],"tags":[59,48,259,44,262,261,258,260,281,45,263,257,46],"class_list":["post-20739","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-musings","tag-article","tag-comment","tag-defence-policy","tag-labour","tag-labour-conference","tag-labour-conference-2015","tag-military","tag-nuclear-weapons","tag-opinion","tag-politics","tag-richard-norton-taylor","tag-trident","tag-uk-news"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6NRDR-5ov","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":9150,"url":"https:\/\/glass-cage.com\/dianas_blog\/2015\/05\/01\/the-guardian-view-britain-needs-a-new-direction-britain-needs-labour\/","url_meta":{"origin":20739,"position":0},"title":"The Guardian view: Britain needs a new direction, Britain needs Labour","author":"diana Stone","date":"May 1, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"Election 2015 poses some profound questions for this country. 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